Joe Wilson: “You Lie, Obama!”

11 09 2009

Though perhaps a tad bit innapropriate to be yelling out at such a time, I do give the man (Joe Wilson) credit for taking a stand, knowing full-well what could possibly be the consequences of such an action. And hey, he did apologize afterwards…
I happen to agree with Wilson’s opinion… but then again, most politicians DO lie. It’s part of their job description. It *shouldn’t* be, but it is.

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11 09 2009
The Center Square

I disagree with “a tad inappropriate.”

Without yet getting into whether Rep. Wilson was “right” or not, what he did was one of the most profoundly un-conservative acts in memory. The first principle of conservatism is to conserve. Conservatives more than any other segment recognize, or ought to, our mutual responsibility to conserve, defend and protect those basic institutions on which order, stability and prosperity depend. His act demeaned and belittled the presidency, an institution which has been constitutionally ingrained in our way of life for more than 200 years. If he has something to say, he has any number of legitimate means of expression. Whatever happened to op ed pieces in the paper, or appearances on Hannity, or speeches to his constituents, or posts on his website? Whatever the merits of his outburst, he chose the one radical means of expression that utterly belies conservative principles.

I also have to point out this irony. There are many aspects of Pres. Obama’s healthcare ideas that require a hard swallow to accept at face value. He is, after all, a politician by trade, and he is going to spin the story in his favor as much as he can get away with. Yet, Rep. Wilson chose to brand as a lie one of the most incontrovertibly true statements of the night. Who is this guy, and, basically, WTF on that???

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11 09 2009
hethiebaby

Just another thought for you: “Conservatives” and “Republicans” are not the same thing.

Obama is not God.
Obama is just like any other politician, he lies.
Some lie more than others. Some intend to keep “their word” (whatever that is), but don’t. Good intentions are never enough.

In Wilson’s “defense” (for lack of a better word)… He did apologize and confessed that he let his emotions and passions for the matter get ahead of him.

Are you perfect? Have you ever shouted something out before really thinking about it? Most likely, if you human like the rest of us, than you have.

11 09 2009
hethiebaby

Obama has been calling those who oppose his health care proposal “liars” for months. So why are Democrats in an uproar because someone finally turned the tables and called Obama a liar?

Why is it OK for Obama to use harsh language against his opponents, yet all hell breaks loose when ONE congressman uses it on him?
And where is there a better place to accuse someone of lying than in Congress?

Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090910092707AAWFBoG

11 09 2009
Laughing Boy

Why is it OK for Obama to use harsh language against his opponents, yet all hell breaks loose when ONE congressman uses it on him?

One congressman? Somehow you’ve missed the fact that Obama has been called a liar (and worse) by hundreds of pundits and politicians daily since taking office. Then there is the matter of decorum, protocol, and honor, all of which Rep. Wilson threw to the wind because he can’t control his emotions any better than a 12-year old. You do not interrupt the POTUS or anyone else when they have the floor. You wait for the appropriate time, that way you can expect to be treated in the manner by others.

11 09 2009
hethiebaby

Sir –
only copied and pasted this discussion from another source, with the link, so that people could see what other people’s opinions on the matter.
It does not mean that I agree with any or all of what he said.

I agree with you that that was neither the TIME nor the PLACE to be shouting out. But I do applaud the man for having guts to take a stand… not matter how innapropriate it is viewed as.

11 09 2009
The Center Square

I hear you. But what do you think about my points?

11 09 2009
hethiebaby

I can definately agree that was neither the TIME nor the PLACE for REP. Joe Wilson to voice his opinion. On the other hand, he made his point. 🙂

Obama promised change… for the better… and there has been none. Oh, sure, sure… it takes time. I understand that. But things have only gotten worse since he took the oath.
He promised things he has no control over. He called others liars – but not to their face – no, no… behind their backs. Now THAT’S character. Not.

I do not agree with his ideas. I do not support his liberal policies. I do not condone his public heathcare proposals, idiotic statements, and utter lack of a listening ear to the people’s wishes.

11 09 2009
The Center Square

Sure, Obama has refuted inaccurate attacks on his health care plan (sets up ‘death panels,’ covers illegal immigrants, etc.). But I do not recall him actually calling anyone a liar. Are you sure that is true?

11 09 2009
hethiebaby

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hH_CufO6v4Q2Lvd4wTP1dA7zRhqgD9AK4FJG3

When someone calls something you said a “lie,” they are calling the speaker a “liar.” Plain and simple.
You cannot have a “lie” without a “liar.”

11 09 2009
The Center Square

There are two important differences.

First, Obama did not single out anyone for lying. Here are his exact words: “The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren’t so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.” Yes, that’s pretty tough talk, but there was no intention to belittle, demean or disparage any individual. That is in contrast with Rep. Wilson’s finger-pointing “You lie!” challenge directed squarely at the president. Radically different scores on the Civility Meter.

Second, the lie that Obama pointed out really is a lie. No bill sets up a panel of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. By contrast, the statement that Wilson challenged as “lie” actually is the truth. The bills truly do explicitly exclude illegal immigrants from coverage. His later claim, that he was referring to two amendments, carries no weight, since they were both defeated. Surely it matters greatly that Obama’s statement was correct on the facts, and Wilson’s was not.

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